Windows 7 E a disaster for European consumers?

Paul Thurrott, who’s kindly let me use some screenshots, let’s face it he’s really a nice guy who doesn’t start arguments by using the A word any more than I do  ;)   has today published the first screenshots of Windows 7 E edition for Europe.  You can read it here, just come back and carry on reading this site afterwards.

Now, first things first.  FINALLY people who live in the UK don’t have to stare at a screen that claims the first language of people in the USA is English when they install windows any more  :)  That’s gotta be a plus.

But, and this is where it gets serious.  With the current build, and let’s not forget this thing doesn’t go to RTM for another couple of weeks, but it IS just a couple of weeks which isn’t very long, there’s no way to download a browser at all.

win7e_7264_18When you install a fresh copy of Windows 7 the action centre, spelt with the r before the e  ;)  will give you several options for downloading anti-virus software.  But this is NOT available for browsers in the current builds.

I would imagine, nay hope, that Microsoft are just talking to Google, Opera and Mozilla about permalinks for their browsers so they can do this.  If they don’t however there’s not only no way to download a browser, but also no way to download anti-virus software.

This needs to be fixed straight away, otherwise retail consumers, and many buying PCs with Windows 7 pre-bundled, will face a disastrous situation.  And how many of them will know how to get the browser and anti-virus software at all?

So Microsoft need to come out right now and reassure European consumers that the action centre will indeed provide the links they need, and that this option will also be added to the welcome centre.  If not, any money we save with the new E edition pricing might as well be put towards a Mac.

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24 Responses to Windows 7 E a disaster for European consumers?

  1. Paul July 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm #

    It would have been good if he had shown a screenshot of the ‘Getting Started’ screen. I would have assumed they would have put something in there like they have put ‘Go online to get Windows Live Essentials’.

  2. Returned4good July 6, 2009 at 1:41 pm #

    Every time I read about 7 E, I am just infuriated that the EU could be so ridiculous as to exclude IE because it’s supposedly unfair. A prime example of liberalism over logic. What a bunch of clowns.

    • Anonymous July 6, 2009 at 2:35 pm #

      They didn’t do that, per se.
      They said:
      Including IE with Windows gives you an unfair marketing advantage, so remove IE and instead offer a choice of web browsers to use.

      So don’t blame EU. Blame Microsoft.

  3. PureEvil July 6, 2009 at 3:14 pm #

    Don’t blame EU? What’s wrong with Microsoft putting Microsoft IE into their Microsoft Windows 7? EU has been Microsoft’s case for few years now. I hope Microsoft stop distributing to EU so they can stop their whining… But that wouldn’t be fair to honest people in EU.

    • the MP July 6, 2009 at 3:36 pm #

      seriously, i wonder if they make apple take out safari and the iLife crap. what a load

  4. Billy Jorgensen July 6, 2009 at 8:26 pm #

    I hope Microsoft does not fix it, I hope Win7 ships in the EU with no browser. And when people scream “Why?” the most accurate answer will be “the stupdity of EU regulators”. I agree with “MP” above, they won’t make Apple remove Safari from Macs, or make Ubuntu only give away copies of Linux without Firefox or any other browser. How stupid. They could have just made the default home page in Win7′s IE be a page with links to the other popular browsers and media players. This would have been simple and avoided these ridiculous issues.

  5. jsandler July 6, 2009 at 8:46 pm #

    I still don’t understand how this bunch of jealous regulators can make Microsoft to remove IE from their own Windows product. It’s not Microsoft’s fault that these regulators cannot create their own decent operating system and browser. How can they win a case over such an unreasonable and ridicules argument? Why would Microsoft want to include non-microsoft browsers in their operating system? Every operating system includes their own built-in browser, why not Microsoft? These people are jealous of Microsoft success.

  6. A, Oliva July 6, 2009 at 10:31 pm #

    Theres really no need to comment on this anymore, as its obvious that everyone believes EU made a HUGE mistake on whining.

    did EU not see the big part where Microsoft said, YOU CAN NOW REMOVE MORE BUILT-IN COMPONENTS? for Ex: IE!!! jeezuz.

    You download w.e browser you want, disable IE and done deal… move on with yer lifes.

    • Anonymous July 7, 2009 at 5:32 am #

      It was not a mistake on EU’s part. It was a mistake on Microsoft’s part.
      People complain about EU, but never about Microsoft.
      I wonder why, when Microsoft has done so much wrong and still does? Corrupted world? Ignorant people?
      Microsoft has itself to sue.

      • Stephen July 7, 2009 at 9:28 am #

        A couple points:

        First, people blame Microsoft (correctly) for all sorts of things. In this case, the points many are trying to make are that 1) the EU has stepped in (again) with Microsoft on a particular issue where users have already been given a choice to disable, 2) they appear to be attempting to have Microsoft remove a feature from its own OS and allow competing programs to be preinstalled instead, and 3) they do not require the same of Apple. BTW, one of those competing browsers (Opera) is owned by a EU-based company.

        Second, what has Microsoft done that every other company out there has not tried? They just happen to have been more successful. The evils of the world are not the result of Microsoft or any other specific company – they are symptomatic of deeper underlying issues related to the focus on the self (i.e., me first attitude) that have become the norm across at least first world countries.

        Third, why exactly would Microsoft want to sue itself?

        Stephen

        • Anonymous July 7, 2009 at 9:40 am #

          You do have some points, especially on that Microsoft is not the entire source of evil in the world.
          However, Microsoft is a big company and therefore they can also have an iron grip on the market, which they currently are doing.
          I would like to see EU attack other companies too, but I suspect they’re attacking Microsoft because Windows is dominating the market (~90%) and is the source of lots of complaints.
          I do agree that forcing Microsoft to stop bundling Media Player and IE as part of the OS may not be that particularly good idea; I would rather see them step in on something else, such as ban of too high specs with too cheap models of Windows, but I do absolutely not agree that EU should be blamed for this situation.

  7. Philip Smith July 7, 2009 at 1:16 am #

    I’m from the UK. I’m planning on buying Windows 7. Will I miss IE? No… but still see no reason why it can’t be included. Will they give away free IE CD’s when you buy a copy of Windows 7 E? You can install it from another disc once you have installed Windows? This way it’s not included on the Windows installation disc, but they give you another disc with it on…… your choice if you wish to install it! Problem solved for the EU??????

    Do you feel this would be a good idea or they will come up with another plan?

    • Rob July 7, 2009 at 2:24 am #

      hey mate, i believe microsoft actually tell ypu to have a disk or some other device ready with IE or another browser on it ready for when the w7 installation is complete so i doubt they will be including it themselfs, good idea none the less.

      Source: http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx – bottom of the page.

  8. Stephen July 7, 2009 at 2:36 am #

    First and foremost, you miss your own essential point that this is not an RTM version. Since the EU has not yet even agreed to Microsoft’s suggested approach, this is just stirring up trouble about a non-issue. Will you please point out one thing from a third-party software or hardware manufacturer that has been “permalinked” in the beta or RC? Companies pay for option. Why would one expect they volunteer (during a global recession) to do that while it still a test OS? This is just another example of why people should ignore leaked builds – those builds exist for specific reasons and none of those are to make end-users happy in the present tense.

    In addition to those practical comments, I also feel obliged to point out that a little review of grammar and puctuation goes a long way. I don’t normally raise that sort of thing, but when an author brings up the subject of “English” I consider it fair game….

    Stephen

  9. Alasdair July 7, 2009 at 3:59 am #

    If you think about it there is one main way for users to own (and create) a copy of windows 7 E with IE installed…

    … By slipstreaming IE into the OS using a program like NLite or VLite. This, however would mean the user would have to have a pc with an OS available to create the Windows 7 IE” disk.

  10. Chris July 7, 2009 at 4:58 am #

    You comment that they manage to get the English right with “centre”, but I see that they leave the date in the mixed up American manner. Your article was apparently written on 7 July 2009 NOT “July 7, 2009″ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The screen shots show the date as 7/6/2009 which suggest it was witten on 7 June 2009. The last screen shot shows UK settings which should include UK (and European) date conventions.
    I always try to remmember to use the 3 letter code for the month, then everyone knows where they are. Sort routines etc can handle this.
    7/Jul/2009 or nicer: 7 Jul 2009

  11. Returned4good July 7, 2009 at 12:32 pm #

    If that’s the case, then why is this only a European problem? How come no one in USA, Japan, or anywhere else has to worry about installing their browser from a thumb drive?

  12. Anonymous Coward July 7, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    I don’t use IE much.. I am a Firefox junkie but, it sure is nice to have IE built in as a back up that is part of the OS.. I think your governments are a bit covetous, due to the fact that MS is an American company, with the richest man in world at the helm… I mean Really, the EU needs to get off of Microsoft’s back. There are no other countries complaining about IE. GET OVER IT!

    PS. Macs suck… they are too proprietary and VERY expensive. Not to mention, 90% of the world uses Windows!

  13. Joachim July 10, 2009 at 3:15 pm #

    Windows are trying to cover up their mistakes with yet one other crapy operating system.
    Yes it looks good. Easy to use, NO!
    I left Microsoft for APPLE and I have to say, they are stealing their ideas!
    Why cant they be more original??!

  14. AJ July 13, 2009 at 3:01 am #

    Well guys let’s put it this way the EU did ask for this. After all they are the ones who keep saying that Microsoft shouldn’t let the OS come pre-installed with their browser in EU countries. Why because apparently it is not giving other companies chance to download other browsers and yet surely Apple should be forced to do the same thing? Will google with their OS when it comes out again be forced to do the same? Who knows but it wouldn’t surprise me if they just targeted Microsoft.

    Anyway would be a laugh and Microsoft can just pin it all on the EU or another option would be to install all available popular browsers and the option to delete any you do not want once the OS is up and running.

    • Anonymous Coward July 13, 2009 at 4:00 pm #

      The best thing is for EU customers just to spoof a US address and download the US version, it comes with multiple languages… Also, the US will get the tax revenues! If you live in the EU, YOU should be outraged! It is freaking Microsoft Windows and it is called Capitalism… M$ can put what ever they want in their products… No one is putting a gun to anyone’s head to buy this system..

      Buy Apple or even free Linux distros…

      • Anonymous July 14, 2009 at 2:07 am #

        Sir, it’s called monopoly, so no. Microsoft may not put whatever they want into the OS.
        At least one good thing will come from this, I hope. Applications won’t be hard-coded to launch IE anymore. Hopefully they’ll launch the default browser instead.
        There is nothing more frustrating than things launching IE instead of the default browser…

        • Anonymous Coward July 14, 2009 at 2:28 pm #

          I am aware of what a monopoly is. The EU is quite aware of Linux and Apple.. The EU is also quite capable of developing its own OS if it does not like the current distribution of Microsoft’s product. Microsoft should just sell online access through the USA only AS IS with all the language packs. But, as usual, the socialistic ways of the EU screws everyone. Boo-Hoo.. The EU has been jerking MS around for years. They will ship it without any browser…. Go get your own.

  15. billy July 15, 2009 at 1:34 pm #

    is it that hard to put an exe installer on a flash drive? grow up.

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